Minutes 09aug31

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Treasurer, Deb Rivera, Will not be present. She reports that the Picnic expense to the Grotto was $75, and the current balance is $2994.66

1 Agenda
2 Intros and trip reports
3 business
4 www page
5 Break for Program

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Agenda

Linda Starr will make a presentation on a possible bid to host the NSS convention in 2013 or later.

We will have a discussion regarding the proposed changes, or lack thereof, to the Grotto website. A vote will be taken on this matter.

Lastly, in order to see archived mail sent to the sandiagrotto@caver.net list:

Click the web link at the bottom of the list message. You will require a password to login.
In order to retrieve a password :
- click on the 'unsubscribe or edit options' button found at the bottom of the page.
- At the bottom of the next page, hit the 'remind' button to have a password reminder sent to your email.
- Check your email for the generated password and use it to login.
- This will then bring you to the settings page, where you can change your password to something more easily remembered.
- Save your settings
- click on the 'SandiaGrotto' link at the bottom of the page.
click on the 'SandiaGrotto Archives' link near the top of the page to see the mail archive.

In general, go to Sandia Grotto Mailing List Info Page for sandiagrotto@caver.net mailing list information and administration.

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Intros and trip reports

Robert Grubbs - went backign pack and to cave creek
Nate Dale - dug open a cave. 30' drop entrance popcorn canyon, on a run of sandia ski area.
joe gavigan - no caving
roger - found out about a cave at sandia ski area. had been buldozed over. dug back open. rumors of 2 40' drops. found 1 27.5' drop. near 9200 foot elevation. they have some photos.
ron - also on cave dig. kevin's son broke through squeeze.
keiffer - no caving. went to disneyland.
jennifer boyette -- cave creek.
sam bono -- cave creek in pecos. picnic at liz's house. last sat. elmap. three people. sam, victor, carl. elma18 marker did 400' in 9 shots. well decorated for a lava tube. back room with thousands of bat bones. carl has photos. on 53 s or 40 victor checked out a hole in the limestone on a road cut. 10'wide pit, 8' deep, blowing air, needs digging. don;t know whose property it is.

lee skinner -- mammoth, ky for 4 days. has a 3 page trip report. will be in sw cavers. had to settle for historic tour first day, need to sign up on internet. lee was a guide in mammoth in 1960. Oldest person there came in 1961, so nobody knew lee. Had a shoe cleaning station for any people from NE entering cave, due to WNS. Sand cave now has a catwalk good for wheelchair access. Then later in hidden river cave, off horse cave ky. There is a museum there. They were having a party for ICS and CRF that night. Patty Kambesis got Lee an invite to the party. Many intl. people there. There was a trip for the ICS people. There was a raging river. Went in on borrowed equipment. he lost the spare key to his card down a crack there. 2nd day went to cub run cave. just commericalized 4 years ago. Had a catwalk crafted by local amish, in wood. Then grand avenue tour of mamoth. 4 ish hours. Then to diamond caverns. It is owned by CRF people now. Later took star chamber lantern tour. next morning took lantern tour. Then ky down under amusement park, which does have a cave, ky caverns, similar to diamond. Last mornting went to onyx, in cave city. Found a CRF station, where they invited lee to aa trip in great onyx. It has been de-commercialized for 70 years. Later to Hiden river cave. Did a boat ride in cave. Lee also has a report from when he was a guide in 1960. bob cornish -- cave creek trip linda starr -- climbed 4 14ers in 1 day with bob and carol. was bob's first trip over 14000. prep for kilamanjaro. There are 3 caves in kilamanjaro park. one is on route, so they will look for it. blake is working to remap torgac.. sam thingsk jennifer foote is doing a re-survey cariol lucero-- went to mexico. also led a group in torgac. mostly strangers to carol, she served as guide. james tabinsky -- tooka a beginenrt to elmap, xenolitgh cave. brian -- with sandia explority ca=ommitee. lou -- ice cave. first time under. scott -- (ok) no caving ?>?? -- cave creek. aaron -- yucatan. jackie ortega -- pecos last week.

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business

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winter tech

Dec 5. Sandia Grotto is hosting. Linda checked out Blake's office, and Bio at UNM. Jefferson Middle School could also host. Blakes is well set up for a seminar and has a kitchenette. Car-camping os allowed in Walmart lot across street. 75-80 people in conference room will be tight, but OK. Wyoming and Acadamy. SW of Walmart. Longer but narrower than old conference room. has side rooms for other functions.

Blake will have a problem with the big feed there. Will want us elsewhere to eat. Otherwise we can meet and have eth there. We may try to have him bend rules about food there if we promise to clean well. He wants us to have dinner at elsewhwhere, local restauraunts may be able to host banquet.

UNM Bio will allow meeting. You can rent a hall for liquor at a place on campus. may need to play for an ID chackler.

JMS has rooms, but no kitched access, and no eth on premisis.

Vote was taken. Blake's office was chosen.

Call for papers is out. we have about 5 so far. notices were sent to NM cavers, swr. lee suggests inviting that new guy moved back to placitis to present on photography. Suggest senging paper invites to Penny, Dianna northup, Jophn Corchran, Debbie Beecher, AX- white nose, Knutt Pete Lindsley, Don Davis, Victor , Joh corchran, Jophn Mcclean -- resistivity, r beecher for cave radio, louis lamb -- hydrologist. george venni -- head oc convention. linda volunteered to send invites to these people. ask bilbo for a paper too.

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Picnic

due to liz's support, picnit cost grotto only $75.

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guads

signed up are:

dan, debm aaron, sherie, jhennifer carl knutt, leslie, sam , scott.

some vertical.

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chirakawa

permits for 1st week nov. carol has them currently has too many people signed up. If we can find another guide (ray) we might be able to get a 3rd permit and take more

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